3. Dean McCulloch

3. DEAN MCCULLOCH

Royal G. Jackson / Jennifer Lee: Did the School of Forestry have an honor code at that time as they do now?

William A. Davies: No, McCulloch was kind of personnel man, like Bill Wheeler is now, besides being Head of Forest Management, and boy, he was strict. He had no children, and if a student was caught cheating he was just out. He was kicked out of school. That's all there was to it, as far as Mac was concerned. They found an empty beer bottle in one of the dorm rooms over here and one of the students there was a forestry student, and Mac just kicked him right out of school, right now. No questions asked.

Royal G. Jackson / Jennifer Lee: Times have changed quite a bit on that issue, haven't they?

William A. Davies: They sure have.

Royal G. Jackson / Jennifer Lee: McCulloch was a very high principled and moralistic man?

William A. Davies: Yes, very moralistic, and he had a chin that stuck out like this. Direct action, Ill tell you.

Royal G. Jackson / Jennifer Lee: Can you tell us how he felt about women being in forestry?

William A. Davies: Yes, anytime a girl came into Mac's office and asked to enroll in forestry, he said, "3 accept gj!j forestry. period. Thank yp f coming in."

Royal G. Jackson / Jennifer Lee: He had the authority to do that?

William A. Davies: He did it and he made it stick. He'd have a hard time today, wouldn't he?

Royal G. Jackson / Jennifer Lee: Indeed he would.

William A. Davies: (laughter)

Royal G. Jackson / Jennifer Lee: So there were no women in forestry at the time you were first here?

William A. Davies: Oh no, not until after Mac stepped down. I went to a meeting with Mac, a logging meeting in Eugene. He was the main speaker, and there were two women sitting in the audience of about 400 people. Mac got up there and saw those two women, and he said, 'Tm not used to seeing women at logging meetings." He said, "My speech is not prepared for women. Will you please leave?" They just kind of giggled, and he said, "I mean it. Get out or I won't go ahead." So they had to get out before he'd go on talking.

Royal G. Jackson / Jennifer Lee: Was he a man that swore a lot, or told off-color jokes ?

William A. Davies: Well, he had a couple off-color jokes in that speech, I guess, but he normally didn't. No, he just didn't think women belonged in the rugged field of forestry, that's all.

Royal G. Jackson / Jennifer Lee: Was there any special feeling of being different among students in forestry at that time? I've heard stories ofpeople wearing a red tie on a given day and things like that.

William A. Davies: Well, that was a long tradition and it kind of petered out about ten years ago. That was started at the time of Peavy, I understand, because Peavy used to wear a red tie a lot. So the students decided to wear red ties on Wednesdays - I believe it was Wednesdays. Every Wednesday all the students were supposed to wear red ties.

Royal G. Jackson / Jennifer Lee: Did professors also?

William A. Davies: A lot of them did. Some of them just didn't go along with it; but a lot of them did. They were just faithful on wearing red ties on Wednesdays, and around the campus you'd see these red ties and you'd know they were foresters. But the students don't go in for that kind of thing much anymore. They've got too many other things to think about, I guess.