3. Jackson Place

William A. Davies: there were three or four great big trees, and they were dying - one of them died, it was a snag, and afraid it would fall down, and two or three others in there - so we just cut them and took them out and got some new timber started. I got hell for that. We left this alone; it's a heck of a waste of money, but maybe it's worth it.

Royal G. Jackson / Jennifer Lee: There's a lot of old growth still there?

William A. Davies: Yes, quite a bit of money could be salvaged out of it right now. In a 100 years it'll probably be gone, and you can't get anything out of it.

Royal G. Jackson / Jennifer Lee: East of Road 600?

William A. Davies: That sharp switchback there, right off to the left as you go around that switchback, if you're going up the switchback. If you ever go out there again, look in there. Somebody on your faculty, about five years ago, went on a trip up there - had a show-me trip for the faculty - and he made a little talk about the cathedral-type trees up there. Beautiful, (laughter) rotten trees with conks all over them.

Royal G. Jackson / Jennifer Lee: Called them cathedral trees?

William A. Davies: Yes, who was that?

Royal G. Jackson / Jennifer Lee: Mike Freed is who it sounds like.

William A. Davies: It was, I think, yes.

3. JACKSON PLACE

Royal G. Jackson / Jennifer Lee: What about this area here, Bill (talking about Road 620 near the Jackson Place)? We have shelters built by CCC's. Marv indicated Road 612.4, does that ring a bell to you?

William A. Davies: Yes, that's where the Red Hats used to have some activities. You know about the Red Hats? They had some activities in there, and I think the Boy Scouts used to go up there.

Royal G. Jackson / Jennifer Lee: What shelters were there, do you know? What did they look like?

William A. Davies: Oh, I think they were just open-faced. If you've been back in there you have probably seen them. On a trail way back in there, shelters, open shelters, closed on three sides, open on the other.

Royal G. Jackson / Jennifer Lee: Are there any out there now? I haven't seen any shelters out there.

William A. Davies: We may have burned them. They were getting decrepit, and kids were going out there, hiking out in there, and fussing with them. We were afraid they were going to burn down. But right up there on the south side of the creek, you go across the bridge there, there's kind of a meadow, you go back on it.

Royal G. Jackson / Jennifer Lee: How about the Jackson Place. Did you ever know anybody named Jackson?

William A. Davies: No, they got that, I think, when Peavy was buying up the land with Mrs. McDonald's money. The school spent some money fixing up this old house that was on there when they moved this guy out of Oak Creek Station; I don't see why they were obligated to furnish him a house. This was a fellow that worked at the lab. I would remember his name if I heard it. But he wasn't on the faculty; he was civil service, a mechanic, or something down there.