7.. The Vandersantens' Hired Hands

Charles Hindes: [CHUCK] Yes.

Bob Zybach: But he didn't own the whole operation.

Charles Hindes: No. He didn't own the piling operation. I'm just trying to think. You mentioned Christianson [Charlie Olson, Monograph #7, p:4] earlier and I'm not sure. They were pole and piling people. In other words, there were some Christiansons that were pole and piling people and I'm not so sure that they weren't the ones involved in this operation.

Norman Hindes: [NORMAN] Old Charlie Houris and Bobby Wallace and them logged them.

Bob Zybach: Okay. Those are names... The Burbanks used to log through there. I know their name but you're saying who? Burbanks?

Norman Hindes: Burbanks. That's my brother-in-law.

Bob Zybach: Oh, from Pee Dee area?

Norman Hindes: No. They claim old John [Burbank], he died here just about eight months ago I guess. He was from the Blaine area up the Nestucca River. He figures he's related to them over there.

Bob Zybach: I've got a lot of information on the Burbanks logging but on the Berry Creek side. So, you're talking about the loggers here named Houris?

Charles Hindes: [CHUCK] Houris. Houris. Charlie Houris.

Norman Hindes: [NORMAN] Charlie Houris. Yeah.

Bob Zybach: Do you know how to spell Houris?

Charles Hindes: [CHUCK] I imagine it's H-u-r, probably, u-s. Or H-u-r-i-s, possibly H-o-u-r-i-s.

Bob Zybach: Did he live in the neighborhood?

Charles Hindes: Yes. He lived in camp.

Norman Hindes: [NORMAN] He stayed there in the bunkhouse and ate in the cookhouse with grandma.

Bob Zybach: Okay. But then you could take your camp and the people could go out and work for an entirely different. . .

Norman Hindes: [NORMAN] Well, he had his own horses.

Charles Hindes: [CHUCK] I'll tell you those were horses. The horse logger was similar to the gypo log trucker.

7. The Vandersantens' Hired Hands

Bob Zybach: Okay. So, the Vandersantens. .. Were they doing their own logging or were they just selling the...

Charles Hindes: They were in the cattle business.

Norman Hindes: [NORMAN] They didn't have anything to do with the lumber. They didn't have anything to do with the piling either. I think they owned the timber, didn't they?

Charles Hindes: [CHUCK] It could be. I'm sure about that. I kind of think they did, but they were immigrants from Arizona or New Mexico. Very interesting people. But primarily they were livestock people and they apparently had a fairly sizable operation down in either Arizona or New Mexico and they brought with them a very interesting character that was Mexican and apparently he killed somebody down in that area. He was still a wanted man and he used to wear two. 38's one on each hip.

Bob Zybach: And this is even in 1928. You're watching a Mexican guy walk down Soap Creek with 38's on his hips.