H.. The Seabrook's Place

Bob Zybach: Did you ever catch any beaver or see any beaver?

Charles Hindes: Not any beaver. Lots of mink.

Norman Hindes: [NORMAN] Nope. No.

Bob Zybach: Lots of mink in this country?

Norman Hindes: Yes. Oh, there was lots of mink.

Bob Zybach: Oh, now see by the '30's the mink were pretty gone.

Charles Hindes: [CHUCK] I imagine.

Bob Zybach: But, do you ever recall any stories of wolves?

Norman Hindes: [NORMAN] No. We never heard anything.

Bob Zybach: At the Vincent place there... That's where Charlie Olson claims he heard the last one was killed about 1905, something like that.

Charles Hindes: [CHUCK] Could've very well have been.

Bob Zybach: Was there anything other than mink?

Norman Hindes: [NORMAN] Mink and skunk and muskrat.

Charles Hindes: [CHUCK] Muskrat, yeah.

Bob Zybach: Did you ever hear of wolverines in this country?

Norman Hindes: [NORMAN] No.

Bob Zybach: Bobcats?

Norman Hindes: No. Oh, well yeah there was cats around here but we never saw 'em.

Bob Zybach: How about cougars? Did you ever hear. . .

Charles Hindes: [CHUCK] Yes. I think there were cougars. You heard 'em but you never saw 'em.

H. The Seabrook's Place

Bob Zybach: How about the. . . Were there orchards around through this area where abandoned orchards or old orchards?

Charles Hindes: On the Vandersanten place there were trees particularly where this old house sat at the end of the road and where that barn is up there. There was some orchards up there, and I think there were a few trees around the Vandersanten house too.

Bob Zybach: Okay. Now, the old place there. . .

Norman Hindes: [NORMAN] Well boys, I've got a hell a long ways yet to go tonight.

Bob Zybach: Well, okay.

Charles Hindes: [CHUCK] Theres an old piece of pipe or something. I don't know what its from.

Norman Hindes: [NORMAN] That where the nails had to be, Chuck. I wouldn't doubt it a bit if we are right in the slab pile location.

Bob Zybach: This is only the second time you've been up here since you moved out.

Charles Hindes: [CHUCK] That's right.

Norman Hindes: [NORMAN] Yeah. Well, we was just more or less always afraid because of the sign down there. No trespassing and the other guy that owned it, we never did meet.

Bob Zybach: We're getting some stuff right here. Heres some glass, crockery. Heres some green glass. Heres a nail. We're on somebodys building site, right here.

Charles Hindes: [CHUCK] I think this was the Seabrook's place.

Norman Hindes: [NORMAN] Yeah. Could've been.

Bob Zybach: Yeah. Heres some more metal right here. Do you know what happened to the families that were living here? Did they all move into here from Kings Valley with you guys?

Norman Hindes: We don't know.

Charles Hindes: [CHUCK] I don't know where they came from, Bob.

Norman Hindes: [NORMAN] We pulled out with that old Model T, we never looked back.

Charles Hindes: [CHUCK] Well, I'm not sure. It was almost like the immaculate conception the way they were just here and everybody moved in and I'm not just sure where people came from or went too.

Norman Hindes: [NORMAN] Or where they went to after we left, either.

Bob Zybach: This is almost like an isolated community. That's why its been so hard to find out anything. Until you guys came along, because nobody knew anybody that was up here. They'd remember a name or two, and then nobody knows where they went. And you were just here just a short time, too, I think is a part of it.

Norman Hindes: I can't figure where. . . Well, a lot of them, I think probably went back over around Kings Valley.

Charles Hindes: [CHUCK] That very well may be. I know the horse loggers left here for Kings Valley. Charlie Houris and Bobby Wallace were two that remember leaving.

Bob Zybach: Bobby Wallace. That was the other name I was looking for. That was the other horse logger?

Norman Hindes: [NORMAN] Yeah. He had several teams here and then Slater, Old Fred Slater, he had one team.

Bob Zybach: Where was Fred Slater? Was he also from Kings Valley?

Charles Hindes: [CHUCK] I think he was from Kings Valley.

Norman Hindes: [NORMAN] Originally he sent his kid to school in Salem. I think he was right around the Salem area, and I think that's where he returned to.

Bob Zybach: Well, this guy's [Charles King] got a whole community to clean up before he builds. Are these generally pretty happy years of your life here, or just getting by and not paying much attention to it.

Charles Hindes: [CHUCK] We didn't know what was going on in the outside world.

Norman Hindes: [NORMAN] Oh, we was kids. Hell, we could eat damned old oak nuts and hazel nuts.

Charles Hindes: [CHUCK] And venison. Don't forget that.

Norman Hindes: [NORMAN] And venison, yeah.

Bob Zybach: Did you ever find any old antlers in the woods? Like curly cue sheep or elk?

Charles Hindes: [CHUCK] In fact, I don't remember ever finding any deer antlers in woods.

Bob Zybach: Is that right? Wow.

Charles Hindes: I know they had to be there. Both deer and elk, most particularly in up in the forest where we logged, but I never run on to any.

Bob Zybach: Heres some more brick down through here, now. I've been hitting some chunks and pieces So this would be below the. . . No this would be about coming into the store here.

Charles Hindes: Right. The store was over by the north side of the tram road approximately 800' due east of the Soap Creek Road.

Bob Zybach: How old is the man that owns this place here?

Charles Hindes: Oh, I'd say he's in his 50's.

Bob Zybach: Oh, Okay.