G.. Fishing, Hunting, and Wildlife

Bob Zybach: So you went to high school with /Lawrence] Blasch?

Eugene Glender: Yeah.

Bob Zybach: And he's your age?

Eugene Glender: Yeah.

Bob Zybach: Okay and then ... can you think of anything else about him?

Eugene Glender: No.

Bob Zybach: He didn't have one eye or anything?

Eugene Glender: No, two. [laughs]

G. Fishing, Hunting, and Wildlife

Eugene Glender: As far as I know all he did was he just farmed.

Bob Zybach: Dobrinin?

Eugene Glender: Yeah.

Bob Zybach: Did he live in that house right there?

Eugene Glender: No, the house is gone. It was right here where these trees are.

Bob Zybach: Okay, where these trees are is where the Dobrinin [Mike] place was?

Eugene Glender: Yeah, right in here probably where that barn is or shed.

Bob Zybach: Where the red shed is?

Eugene Glender: Yeah.

Bob Zybach: Was his house taken away with Camp Adair then too?

Eugene Glender: Yeah.

Bob Zybach: So the Dobrinins, they owned the land and far,ned out through this area?

Eugene Glender: Yeah.

Bob Zybach: And then Camp Adair came in and wiped it off?

Eugene Glender: Yeah.

Bob Zybach: Was there an orchard here that they had, a family orchard?

Eugene Glender: I can't remember there being one in here.

Bob Zybach: Did you go to school with the Dobrinins?

Eugene Glender: Yeah.

Bob Zybach: So this would be the outer edge of the Tampico School District?

Eugene Glender: I guess.

Bob Zybach: How many Idds' did they have?

Eugene Glender: I don't know. Six, I guess; six or seven [Agnes, Fannie, Mary, Charlie, Annie].

Bob Zybach: Did Dobrinin do anything other than farm?

Eugene Glender: I don't remember him doing anything else.

Bob Zybach: Was there any particular religion among these families here? Did eveiybody go to the same church?

Eugene Glender: No, not that I know of.

Bob Zybach: Did they go to any church?

Eugene Glender: Yeah, they all had their separate churches they went to.

Bob Zybach: So you 'd see the kids in school maybe, and some of them; you'd see in church?

Eugene Glender: Well, there was none of these that went to our church.

Bob Zybach: Which church did you go to?

Eugene Glender: Immanuel Lutheran in Albany.

Bob Zybach: Oh, so you went a long way to church?

Eugene Glender: Yeah. About ten miles.

Bob Zybach: What was the reason for that?

Eugene Glender: Oh, I don't know. Because that's where we started going and we always went there. Either Albany or Corvallis was the closest towns.

Bob Zybach: So anybody that went to church had to go to Corvallis or Albany?

Eugene Glender: Yeah.

Bob Zybach: Was ... there were cemeteries through here, or family burial grounds

Eugene Glender: There's none here that I know of.

Bob Zybach: Okay. None in this neighborhood?

Eugene Glender: Not right here, no.

Bob Zybach: HOw abow this side of the hill? The west side of the hill. Was this all young fir in those days?

Eugene Glender: Yeah. This was all timber.

Bob Zybach: So it looks about the same?

Eugene Glender: Yeah.

Bob Zybach: On this farm here where you say people farmed, what kinds of crops did they raise?

Eugene Glender: Mostly wheat and oats, rye grass.

Bob Zybach: Any cattle?

Eugene Glender: Oh, everybody had their cows.

Bob Zybach: How about chickens? Were there any chicken ranches?

Eugene Glender: Cows and chickens and ... everybody had ... they owned cows and their own chickens.

Bob Zybach: Was there any problem with animals like opossums, or raccoons, or jack rabbit?

Eugene Glender: No.

Bob Zybach: Was there any oposswns in this country at all?

Eugene Glender: No. No opossums.

Bob Zybach: Do you remember when they came in?

Eugene Glender: Yeah.

Bob Zybach: When was it?

Eugene Glender: I don't remember what year it was, but I remember when they got started why there was ... you see a lot of them pretty quick.

Bob Zybach: I heard they came in with the CCC's; people brought them from the South.

Eugene Glender: I don't know, that could be. I never did see any as long as we lived out here on the ranch here.

Bob Zybach: Oh. How about raccoons?

Eugene Glender: Yeah, and a lot of skunk.

Bob Zybach: A lot of skunks? How about deer, deer populations?

Eugene Glender: There was deer all over but not near as thick then as they are now.

Bob Zybach: A lot more deer now?

Eugene Glender: Yeah.

Bob Zybach: Were there any elk?

Eugene Glender: No.

Bob Zybach: Black bear?

Eugene Glender: Never seen any.

Bob Zybach: Cougar?

Eugene Glender: No.

Bob Zybach: Bobcats?

Eugene Glender: Well, there were some around. I've seen some up here when I was hunting one day.

Bob Zybach: How about the birds? There are quite afew hawks now. Were there a lot of hawics in those days?

Eugene Glender: There was ... well, yeah, but everybody used to shoot them then.

Bob Zybach: The hawks?

Eugene Glender: Yeah, hawks and owls.

Bob Zybach: There's probably more hawks, owls, and deer now than there was then?

Eugene Glender: Yeah, there is.

Bob Zybach: Okay.

Eugene Glender: There used to be a lot of pheasants and a lot of quail here.

Bob Zybach: Do you remember when the pheasants died out?

Eugene Glender: Well, there was pretty good yet when we left in the 40's.

Bob Zybach: I hunted here in the '50's when I was a kid and in the '60's, so there was still

Eugene Glender: Yeah.

Bob Zybach: Do you know what killed them off?

Eugene Glender: Same thing that it was down in the [Willamette] Valley, I guess.

Bob Zybach: What was that?

Eugene Glender: I don't know; they said they got a disease and all died out.

Bob Zybach: Do you remember any foxes in this area?

Eugene Glender: There used to be a lot of grey fox.

Bob Zybach: Grey fox.

Eugene Glender: Before we left a red fox just started coming in.

Bob Zybach: I was told by Bessie Murphy that the foxes killed off the pheasants; the foxes got out of control.

Eugene Glender: I don't think so.

Bob Zybach: Okay. You think it was more like disease, then?

Eugene Glender: Yeah.

Bob Zybach: How about Soap Creek, did you fish that?

Eugene Glender: Yeah.

Bob Zybach: Catch very many fish?

Eugene Glender: Oh, yeah.

Bob Zybach: How big?

Eugene Glender: Oh, the biggest one I ever got was thirteen and a half inches, I think.

Bob Zybach: Did any of the adults fish or just the kids?

Eugene Glender: No, my dad fished too.

Bob Zybach: W1zat was the most you ever got in a day?

Eugene Glender: Quite a few.

Bob Zybach: Over fifty?

Eugene Glender: Well, no, not that many, I don't think.

Bob Zybach: Weren't you worried about getting a ticket?

Eugene Glender: No, it's been a long time ago. You can't do it anymore, can't even hardly fmd a fish in the creek anymore.

Bob Zybach: So there was a lot more fish in the creek.

Eugene Glender: Well, nobody else ever fished it.

Bob Zybach: What ... was there anything other than rainbow?

Eugene Glender: It was cutthroat.

Bob Zybach: Was there any rainbow then?

Eugene Glender: Not at first.

Bob Zybach: How'd they get in?

Eugene Glender: They planted them in.

Bob Zybach: Do you remember when?

Eugene Glender: No.

Bob Zybach: Were there rainbow when you were a kid?

Eugene Glender: A few; they got started then.

Bob Zybach: Did they take over from the cutthroat?

Eugene Glender: Yeah, you can't hardly get a cutthroat anymore.

Bob Zybach: So it's native cutthroats.

Eugene Glender: To start with and then they went to rainbow.

Bob Zybach: Was that thirteen and a half incher a cutthroat or rainbow?

Eugene Glender: I think it was a cutthroat.

Bob Zybach: Oh. Which do you like to catch more?

Eugene Glender: Any kind.

Bob Zybach: So, did you li/ce seeing the rainbows come in, or did it bother you one way or the other?

Eugene Glender: It didn't make any difference, they just done better.

Bob Zybach: So, there was more fish once they got the rainbow in?

Eugene Glender: Yeah.

Bob Zybach: Were there crawdads?

Eugene Glender: Yeah.

Bob Zybach: Periwinkles?

Eugene Glender: Yeah, there used to be a lot of crawdads.

Bob Zybach: Did you ear them?

Eugene Glender: Yeah.

Bob Zybach: Did you put out traps for them?

Eugene Glender: Not, caught them with a hook and line.

Bob Zybach: How about duth and geese?

Eugene Glender: No,

Bob Zybach: Never hunted for them?

Eugene Glender: A few wood ducks come in the creek when ... there was a lot of acorns.

Bob Zybach: How about porcupines?

Eugene Glender: I've never seen one, my uncle saw one up on the hill one time.

Bob Zybach: So there has been some porcupines but not real common?

Eugene Glender: Yeah, they're not common.

Bob Zybach: How about boomers?

Eugene Glender: Grouse?

Bob Zybach: No, mountain beaver [Aplodontia rz(a]?

Eugene Glender: Oh, I've never seen any of them in here.

Bob Zybach: How about grouse, then?

Eugene Glender: Yeah, there's grouse.

Bob Zybach: Is there as many now?

Eugene Glender: Oh, I couldn't say that, because I don't go up in here very often anymore.

Bob Zybach: Did you grouse hunt when you were a kid?

Eugene Glender: Yes, occasionally.

Bob Zybach: Was there quite a few?

Eugene Glender: In certain places there was ... did pretty good.

Bob Zybach: How about the ... on the migrations on the geese, would there be noticeably a lot more geese in those days than now or

Eugene Glender: They just flew over.

Bob Zybach: Just didn't pay much attention?

Eugene Glender: Well, they never stayed in here.

Bob Zybach: So this wasn't a stop for migratory birds?

Eugene Glender: No.

Bob Zybach: How about ... eagles?

Eugene Glender: No.

Bob Zybach: Never saw any eagles?

Eugene Glender: No.

Bob Zybach: What are we missing, Jan, mentioned every major fish, bird and ... jack rabbits?

Eugene Glender: Yeah. There used to be quite a few jack rabbits.

Bob Zybach: Were they a problem?

Eugene Glender: Oh, they didn't really hurt that much. There was quite a lot. You'd get to harvesting a field and you get to the end ... near the inside where you'd be about to finish it, there'd be quite a few rabbit sometimes.

Bob Zybach: Miat would you do with them?

Eugene Glender: Just chase them, kill them and eat them or kill them. We'd never eat them, but

Bob Zybach: There's ... do you recall dWere,u kinds of rabbits, other than the jack rabbit?

Eugene Glender: Just the jack rabbit and a few cotton tails.

Bob Zybach: Do you recall anything called a brush bunny, kind of a black short haired rabbit?

Eugene Glender: That's probably a little cotton tail, isn't it?

Bob Zybach: I just had somebody tell me about them. [See Monograph #6, James Hanish.}

Eugene Glender: Well, that's all I've ever seen. I've just seen a few cotton tails and then the regular jack rabbit.

Bob Zybach: Were you familiar with djjj'ere,u kinds of moles or mice or anything like that?

Eugene Glender: Well, they had regular ... the same kind of mice you've got now.

Bob Zybach: Field mice?

Eugene Glender: Yeah, field mice and regular house mice and kangaroo mice.

Bob Zybach: How about

Eugene Glender: A few wood rats.

Bob Zybach: Would you have problems with those in the house?

Eugene Glender: No.

Bob Zybach: What was the reason for that?

Eugene Glender: Well, I don't know. We always found them down in the sloughs and stuff like that, they would be building wood ... great big wood nests in a tree around an old fence rail fences and stuff like that.

Bob Zybach: How about nutria?

Eugene Glender: No. They weren't here yet.

Bob Zybach: And no beaver?

Eugene Glender: No beaver when we left. After the Camp [Adair] came in, I went down the creek fishing then and there was beaver in there then.

Bob Zybach: Was that because people stopped trapping?

Eugene Glender: Well, I think the beaver just moved back up in this country again.

Bob Zybach: How about otter?

Eugene Glender: Never seen any.

Bob Zybach: Okay, so the beaver came in after Camp Adair. The rainbow probably came ... starting to come in the laze '20's, early '30's.

Eugene Glender: Yeah.

Bob Zybach: The pheasant were here when you were a kid and disappeared maybe in the '60's or '70's.

Eugene Glender: Yeah, there used to be a lot of bobwhite here.

Bob Zybach: What's bobwhite?

Eugene Glender: Bobwhite and then the California quail came in.

Bob Zybach: Are they still here?

Eugene Glender: I don't know it there's any bobwhite left anyplace anymore hardly.

Bob Zybach: Oh.

Eugene Glender: Then the red fox. The first one I seen of them was in the, oh, late '30's.

Bob Zybach: How did they get here?

Eugene Glender: Some of these hound people turned them loose.

Bob Zybach: For sport?

Eugene Glender: Yeah.