I.. Sulphur Springs

Roy Cook: Now, where is the Marcks' place from here?

Bob Zybach: That'd be down, right down there.

Roy Cook: Well, it was somewhere up in this area where, that Junk or that guy was killed.

Bob Zybach: Okay, then that'd be a little bit different from.

Roy Cook: It was somewhere up in this area.

Bob Zybach: Okay. You don't.

Roy Cook: Well come on, come on (whistles to barking dog)

Bob Zybach: I just wanted to come to this one area because of the perspective. We can see down the valley and up that way, and f you'd worked on this side of the creek or been up in this area at all, I thought maybe you could.

Roy Cook: No, I couldn't. Just like I said, I can't even orient myself up here.

Bob Zybach: Okay, okay, let's.

Roy Cook: Because when we were logging you couldn't see out, you know. Oh, you could see out, but no perspectives.

Bob Zybach: Okay. Let's.

I. Sulphur Springs

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Bob Zybach: Coming here into Sulphur Springs, I turned this thing back on here.

Roy Cook: Now, the spring's right down here isn't it?

Bob Zybach: Yeah, do you remember anything about Sulphur Springs at all? Ever come here for any reason?

Kevin Sherer: [KEVIN] Any structures, or.

Roy Cook: No structures.

Bob Zybach: Would people camp here?

Roy Cook: The kids from [OSU] college, and so on, when I was working up here. You know, the kids would come out here and have beer parties out here.

Bob Zybach: The forestry students?

Roy Cook: Sure, whatever. You've got the tape on.

Bob Zybach: Yeah, I warned you.

Roy Cook: No, they come out here and play hide the weeny, I think.

Bob Zybach: Okay. [laughter]

Roy Cook: And then the road used to go straight through and it went up a little hill, now, I don't remember whether this.

Bob Zybach: You want to take it up here?

Roy Cook: It was just a track but there was a gate right up here. And it seemed like there was a house just beyond it, or.

Bob Zybach: That was one of Junk Matthews' houses, and then his other house was back there where we first turned up Moss Rock. [Drive]

Kevin Sherer: [KEVIN] Do you remember anything about an old trail that went up from Sulphur Springs here up across the hill?

Roy Cook: No. It may have been there.

Bob Zybach: Here's about, I think somewhere through here is where the gate was. Do you remember where the house was here at all?

Roy Cook: Doesn't quite look right. Seems like it went up a hill there, and there as a gate, there

Roy Cook: was a hill on this side, flats.

Kevin Sherer: [KEVIN] Well, this is a hill, there's a flat down there?

Roy Cook: That's nice. Didn't go this far, I think, it was right close.

Bob Zybach: I'm kinda cheating a little bit, because I've been back here with a little 90 year old man that could remember where everything was. There's a school gate there, we could probably turn around here.

Roy Cook: All right.

Bob Zybach: Where that cyclone fence is over there was an old [saw] mill from the 1890's.

Roy Cook: Is that right?

Bob Zybach: And maybe earlier.

Roy Cook: What's inside that fence? Anything?

Bob Zybach: Well, school properly. This is about where the Cook place ended, right up in here somewhere.

Roy Cook: Yeah, it jogged around. The Springs wasn't on the place.

Bob Zybach: Yep. The Springs were owned by Bakers.

Roy Cook: Yeah.

Bob Zybach: Do you remember the Bakers?

Roy Cook: No, but now that you mention the name I remember hearing about the name. But there was just an old abandoned house, and it seems to me it sat on that side.

Bob Zybach: About where that red house is there?

Roy Cook: It seems right.

Bob Zybach: Okay. Did you ever go to Sulphur Springs for anything? To drink the water, or fish?

Roy Cook: Yeah. No, I never fished up here, but I've fished in the damned stuff, and they should run it back through the horse again.

Bob Zybach: Charlie Olson was there and he said the early families used to gather [the spring water] and they'd dñnk it for their health.

Roy Cook: Yeah, I've heard that too, but.

Bob Zybach: I've talked to four people in their 90's with excellent memories, so it might be something to it.

Roy Cook: My dad and mother [both lived well into their 90s} weren't too thrilled with it.

Bob Zybach: Uh huh.

Roy Cook: Let's look at that Springs. I haven't seen it since year one. But I remember that it was sort of a mud hole sitting right in here somewhere, wasn't it?

Bob Zybach: Well, we can go down there and check it out.

Roy Cook: There's no water out here but there must have been . . . you can see the old alluvial plain out there.

Kevin Sherer: [KEVIN] Well, there [untelligible] back there.

Roy Cook: Well, this is up inside [unteffigible}. Wherever the canyons came down where there had been a water source where it narrowed down just before you get into the canyon, is always where you'd find the pulp wood. It got [unteffigible] everywhere down here. Mold. Black soil.

Bob Zybach: Yeah.

Roy Cook: Well, this was all .. . it was all open where the spring was. There was no brush.

Bob Zybach: Well, there's an old apple tree right here.

Roy Cook: But the road came right close to the spring, it wasn't up there it was down in here somewhere. The road came through right along in here somewhere.

Bob Zybach: Do you know anything about this apple tree here, or.

Roy Cook: Nope.

Bob Zybach: Okay.

Kevin Sherer: [KEVIN] See, this little crossing here.

Roy Cook: Is that it?

Kevin Sherer: [KEVIN] This is it, right here. Do you remember that stone there?

Roy Cook: Nope.

Bob Zybach: 1 think that might have been put in by the CCC's. Do you remember, does that spring look about the same as you remember it?

Roy Cook: Nope.

Bob Zybach: Do you remember what it looked like?

Roy Cook: There was a bank around. The bank was up about this high.

Bob Zybach: Okay. About three foot.

Roy Cook: Then the spring set down like that, and then there was little channel went off to the creek. But there was the high bank on three sides of it.

Bob Zybach: Okay. Was there any kind of a constniction or anything in the spring? it was just the pool like it is now but with the bank around it?

Roy Cook: Yeah.

Bob Zybach: Did it have. . . do you remember any wooden stnicture or.

Roy Cook: No, huh uh.

Kevin Sherer: [KEVIN] No cistern or anything?

Roy Cook: Nothing. No.

Bob Zybach: No walkway on the bank?

Roy Cook: No, huh uh. It was just, you'd walk out through the grass and there the damn thing was only it was down lower. How do they account for the presence of sulphur in here?

Kevin Sherer: [KEVIN] Well, that's easy. With all the volcanic activily that took place in this area, all the basalts, and.

Roy Cook: Well, hell, that's true of Kings Valley or anywhere else. So why here?

Bob Zybach: Well, we get salt water over there [towards Arlie] and there's salt water on the other side of the hill [coast range], and salt water in Eddyville. Yeah, you go down a little bit.

Roy Cook: I'll be damned.

Bob Zybach: This was locally recognized as a landmark pretty much, wasn't it?

Roy Cook: Yeah.

Bob Zybach: At the other end of the valley would the landmark be Coffin Butte?

Roy Cook: Yeah, yeah, Coffin Butte. I can remember. . . now that's one hill that I can remember a name on. But the others were just hills.

Bob Zybach: So, but this was a well-known location and Coffin Butte would be a well-known location?

Roy Cook: Yeah.

Bob Zybach: And how about the valley itself? Was there anything within the valley that.

Roy Cook: Soap Creek Valley, is all.

Bob Zybach: Okay. Well, let's see.

Roy Cook: And when they logged, they took the logs, when I was up here they took the logs to Suver and dumped them in the river and I guess they pulled them out in Salem or God knows where down the line.

Bob Zybach: How did they haul the logs down from here to Suver?

Roy Cook: Old beat up trucks. And I mean beat up!