L.. Tampico: From Elephants to Camp Adair

Bob Zybach: More apt to help out in those days?

Eugene Glender: Yeah.

Bob Zybach: On the left here is an old ... no buildings or anything?

Eugene Glender: No.

Bob Zybach: And then on the right we're going by your family place, did that look about the same?

Eugene Glender: Yeah, the brush grew up more here in this this used to be kind of swampy spot down here. We used to pasture our cows down here.

Bob Zybach: So you'd have cows in here?

Eugene Glender: Yeah.

Bob Zybach: Anything else?

Eugene Glender: We had some goats.

Bob Zybach: Some goats?

Eugene Glender: Yeah.

Bob Zybach: So was this all fenced in those days?

Eugene Glender: Yeah.

Bob Zybach: Both sides?

Eugene Glender: Yeah.

Bob Zybach: On the swampy area here, did ... were there things like bullfrogs or.

Eugene Glender: No. It dried up in the summer.

Bob Zybach: Problem with mosquitoes?

Eugene Glender: No. Just a swampy place ... couldn't farm or do nothing with.

Bob Zybach: No real problems with it.

Eugene Glender: No.

Bob Zybach: Okay.

L. Tampico: From Elephants to Camp Adair

Bob Zybach: The play shed was out about where the road is?

Eugene Glender: Yeah.

Bob Zybach: And the school must have been right in there ... is that part of the foundation from it?

Eugene Glender: Yeah.

Bob Zybach: How many people went to school here?

Eugene Glender: Oh, I don't know, twenty, I suppose.

Bob Zybach: Were there any apple trees or anything around the school?

Eugene Glender: Oh, there was a couple of wild ones. There was a wild one right on the corner up here and let's see, then ... I think ... as far as I can remember that's the only one that was here. That was across the fence ... it was on Beal's place too, so

Bob Zybach: So Beal 's was over there on the other side of the road?

Eugene Glender: Yeah. Probably just an acre or something out here where the school was on.

Bob Zybach: So the school had about an acre?

Eugene Glender: Yeah.

Bob Zybach: And it had a play shed and a couple of outhouses

Eugene Glender: Yeah.

Bob Zybach: And a main building?

Eugene Glender: Yeah. Then when I was ... first started to school they used to have a shed way down in the far corner down there they, a couple ... when they bring horses to school, they'd have a place to park their horse.

Bob Zybach: So kids that rode to school would have a horse shed for them?

Eugene Glender: Yeah, there was only one or two that ever brought their horse to school.

Bob Zybach: Do you rementher who those kids were?

Eugene Glender: I can't remember anymore now.

Bob Zybach: Do you rementher who your teachers were?

Eugene Glender: I can remember some of them.

Bob Zybach: Want to name afew of them?

Eugene Glender: Oh, let's see, I think Mrs. [Bertha] Dalton, I think is the first one that I can remember. Oh, gosh, you'll have to let me think a little way,

Bob Zybach: That's a good thing we can look at the transcript later and add that stuff... census records or something, f we get real curioul.

Eugene Glender: think of some of them.

Jan Meranda: [Jan] W7iat grade was that?

In July 1994, Gene and his sister, Elvera remembered four other teachers that taught in the Tampico School District during the 1920s and '30s: Mrs. Lois Vanderpool, Lottie Blake, Eula Montgomery, Florence MacFihane.

Eugene Glender: First year.

Bob Zybach: How did you do in school?

Eugene Glender: Not very good.

Bob Zybach: Better farmer?

Eugene Glender: I didn't like school.

Bob Zybach: Was this road through here at that time?

Eugene Glender: No.

Bob Zybach: Put in by [the construction of Camp] Adair?

Eugene Glender: Yeah.

Bob Zybach: Do you remember when they closed the school down?

Eugene Glender: Well, when everybody had to leave, it would have been '41, I think.

Bob Zybach: So this school and the Soap Creek School were operating at the same time?

Eugene Glender: Yeah.

Bob Zybach: Aid some of the kids came to this school

Eugene Glender: The first years when I was in the first and second grade they came from up Soap Creek too. They used to come down here to school.

Bob Zybach: And then they built the school up there?

Eugene Glender: Yeah.

Bob Zybach: And then the kids up there started going up there?

Eugene Glender: Yeah.

Bob Zybach: Were those the kids that brought horses then the first year or iwo, the ones that came from Soap Creek?

Eugene Glender: Seems like there was one or so that came from that way.

Bob Zybach: Now how far away is the Beals house from this here?

Eugene Glender: Well, it was right there where that old house is. How far is that where

Bob Zybach: Is that house still there?

Eugene Glender: Yeah. Who's that girl that lives

Bob Zybach: So that's the old Beals house?

Eugene Glender: Yeah.

Bob Zybach: Was that a new house when you were a kid?

Eugene Glender: I don't know. It was same as our house I guess; it was built before I can remember.

Bob Zybach: How about this ... now you said where we went by the pine over here that that was a field. Those were planted?

Eugene Glender: Yeah.

Bob Zybach: How about these trees over here in front of us?

Eugene Glender: They were all planted too.

Bob Zybach: Were these all fields in those days?

Eugene Glender: Yeah.

Bob Zybach: Now, on your house, that's the orchard that's there now. Do you know who planted that?

Eugene Glender: That one, I think the folks did, either that or [John] Smith had it planted when they lived here.

Bob Zybach: Which Smith lived here?

Eugene Glender: I don't know. They bought it from a Smith, so I don't know if Smith lived here then or

Bob Zybach: He bought it from the John Smith family?

Eugene Glender: Yeah.

Bob Zybach: Now, you said the house ... the house was there a few weeks ago.

Eugene Glender: Yeah [The Glender house was sold by OSU a short time before this interview and moved to the new owner's lot].

Bob Zybach: When was that built?

Eugene Glender: Oh, just a year or two before I was born, I guess.

Bob Zybach: And what happened to the other one?

Eugene Glender: Burnt.

Bob Zybach: Do you know how old that was?

Eugene Glender: No.

Bob Zybach: Did they say it was an old house or

Eugene Glender: It was a fairly old house already too.

Bob Zybach: The one that they built was a nice house. Was it nicer than the other house or

Eugene Glender: Yes, I guess so. I never was in the other one.

Bob Zybach: Did your folks ever talk about it?

Eugene Glender: Oh, not a whole lot.

Bob Zybach: Did both of your uncles ... did your uncle live with you too?

Eugene Glender: Yes.

Bob Zybach: So, both Glender brothers [Will and Charlie] ... were they both married?

Eugene Glender: Yeah.

Bob Zybach: Only your family had kidg?

Eugene Glender: Yeah.

Bob Zybach: When did they buy this place?

Eugene Glender: Oh, I don't know, 1911 or something like that. Yeah, it would have been in 1911 or something like that, '10 or '11 or '08. I don't ... You'd have to look on the records; it would tell you when it was bought, wouldn't it? [The 1910 Census lists both Glender brothers as living in the "Soap Creek Precinct." See Appendix C.]

Bob Zybach: Yeah, ijust ... we can look some of this stuff up, just asking in case ... now there's an old foundation right along the back side of that [Glender] orchard there, do you have any idea what that belonged to?

Eugene Glender: Something the army put in.

Bob Zybach: So that's new, that foundation by the orchard. Now, why didn't the army take out your house?

Eugene Glender: I guess they figured it was off limits far enough that they didn't have to. Because everything on this side of the road they used and on that side of Soap Creek.

Bob Zybach: But still they bought your house?

Eugene Glender: Yeah.

Bob Zybach: What were the general feelings when the a,my caine in here?

Eugene Glender: Oh, some of them wanted to move and some didn't.

Bob Zybach: Do you remember who was against moving?

Eugene Glender: No.

Bob Zybach: How about your folks? Were they happy with the situation?

Eugene Glender: Oh, not really, but what are you going to do? They told you they wanted this so they're going to take it.

Bob Zybach: Can 'tfight city hall, that kind [of thing]?

Eugene Glender: No, we were supposed to have got it back, but then they decided the college [OSU] wanted it, so they gave it to the college.

Bob Zybach: Were you upset about that?

Eugene Glender: Well, sort of.

Bob Zybach: What was the circumstance? They said you could buy it back and they offered it to your dad after the War?

Eugene Glender: Yeah.

Bob Zybach: And he wanted it?

Eugene Glender: Yeah.

Bob Zybach: And they wouldn't give it to him?

Eugene Glender: No, and then they changed their minds and said the college wanted it, so they gave it to the college.

Bob Zybach: What did your dad have to say about that?

Eugene Glender: Well, what are you going to say.

Bob Zybach: Maybe you can't say it into a [recording] mike, I don't know.

Eugene Glender: [Laughs] Yeah, those days there, why you didn't do the things they do any more, I guess.

Bob Zybach: What ... where did your dad ... where did your family move after ... when Adair bought his place?

Eugene Glender: Albany.

Bob Zybach: The whole family?

Eugene Glender: Yeah.

Bob Zybach: And then did your dad stay there the rest of his life?

Eugene Glender: Yeah.

Bob Zybach: And your mom?

Eugene Glender: Yeah.

Bob Zybach: I understood they bought some ... family graveyards around here, so they dug up people and moved them, do you know anything about that?

Eugene Glender: No, I don't know anything about that.

Bob Zybach: And Maiy McDonald's book on schools [When School Bells Rangf, she calls this Glender Hill here and maybe your sister named it. Was this called Glender Hill when you were a kid?

Eugene Glender: Probably just named it because we lived there all them years.

Bob Zybach: So t1zeyjut ... that was the hill behind the Glenders is what that meant?

Eugene Glender: Probably.

Bob Zybach: Now you showed me where when it was snowy, you'd slide down the hill there and there's a depression. You said that you thought that was an old tavern?

Eugene Glender: That's what I was told.

Bob Zybach: Do you remember who told you that?

Eugene Glender: Ithink my dad did.

Bob Zybach: He said it was the old tavern? He would have talked to [John] Smith and

Eugene Glender: Something apparently.

Bob Zybach: When did your ... why did the two brothers go in together on this place?

Eugene Glender: Oh, I don't know, they came from back East and they needed a place to farm and with this many acres, one guy couldn't do it.

Bob Zybach: How many acres did they have?

Eugene Glender: Four hundred and forty-five acres.

Bob Zybach: And they bought it all at once?

Eugene Glender: All but forty-five. Just be four hundred acres and then this forty-five acres on the back up here that they bought later.

Bob Zybach: Who did they buy that from?

Eugene Glender: I don't know anymore. Some people in Portland I think owned it.

Bob Zybach: When ... I think I will cover the genealogy stuff as long as we're here since it's kind of closer to home. What year did they come out here?

Eugene Glender: 1908 or '09 or something like that or '04, I don't

Bob Zybach: Just right before they bought the place?

Eugene Glender: Yeah.

McDonald, Mary 1983. When School Bells Rang: Schools of Benton County. Oregon. Mac Publications, Philoinath, Oregon: 223 pp.

Bob Zybach: Do you know where they moved from?

Eugene Glender: illinois.

Bob Zybach: From Illinois. Do you know how long they lived there?

Eugene Glender: No. I don't even remember how old they were when they moved here.

Bob Zybach: So they could have been young men or middle aged men when they moved here? But the two brothers came here together and purchased the place together and operated it together.

Eugene Glender: Yeah, because I don't think they ... they weren't married yet when they moved out here to Oregon. [Will may have been married in illinois, but Charlie was definitely married in Oregon.]

Bob Zybach: So they came out as two single men in kind of a business partnership?

Eugene Glender: Yeah, you could call it that, I guess.

Bob Zybach: What would call it?

Eugene Glender: I don't know, whatever [laughs].

Bob Zybach: Did you all live in the same house?

Eugene Glender: Yeah.

Bob Zybach: How did your dad and uncle get along?

Eugene Glender: All right.

Bob Zybach: Work together everyday and

Eugene Glender: Yeah.

Bob Zybach: lThat would they do for fun?

Eugene Glender: Go fishing, hunting.

Bob Zybach: Just kind of the same ... as the kids.

Eugene Glender: Well, that's all there was to do.

Bob Zybach: Were there any neighbors here that came over and played cards or

Eugene Glender: No.

Bob Zybach: Never really associated too much with the neighbors?

Eugene Glender: No.

Bob Zybach: How about the Beals?

Eugene Glender: Oh, we'd see them quite often, but they'd just come over to talk or visit and that was it.

Jan Meranda: [Jan] Did you guys play music, or sing, or dance?

Eugene Glender: No.

Bob Zybach: Did they have dances around here?

Eugene Glender: Occasionally.

Bob Zybach: Would you go to them?

Eugene Glender: Me? No. I did ... Beals had one a couple times in their barn down there, go there, but I was too little ... I didn't know what to do anyway, I guess.

Bob Zybach: Do you renienther what kind of music they played?

Eugene Glender: Just the regular old time music.

Bob Zybach: Square dancing?

Eugene Glender: Violins, and banjos, and stuff like that.

Bob Zybach: Now the barn that's there right now, do you recall when that was built?

Eugene Glender: Well, you figure when I was about probably four years old, so that would be sixty- two years ago [about 1927].

Bob Zybach: Why did they build that barn? What was wrong with the other barn?

Eugene Glender: It just about fell down; it just rotted out.

Bob Zybach: Does that upset you anything to see them take the house down there?

Eugene Glender: Well, I don't know. I'm not living here anymore anyway, so it doesn't make any difference now, I guess.

Bob Zybach: How about the barn, do you like seeing that or

Eugene Glender: I'd like to see something left, if possible but ... if there's no use for it, why ... it's not really that old of a barn anyway.

Bob Zybach: Well, in this neighborhood it is; Adair took care of that.

Eugene Glender: Yeah.

Bob Zybach: IThat do you think a use would be to just to have it there so kids know what barns used to look like, would that be a good use?

Eugene Glender: Well, that could be. They could use it for their cattle barn now, I guess. They'd have a use for it anyway now.

Bob Zybach: Would it be worth putting ... what kind of roof used to be on it?

Eugene Glender: Shingle.

Bob Zybach: So cedar shingle?

Eugene Glender: Yeah.

Bob Zybach: Were they shakes?

Eugene Glender: No, they were regular shingles.

Bob Zybach: Were they tapered?

Eugene Glender: yeah.

Bob Zybach: Who sold you your shingles?

Eugene Glender: I couldn't tell you, I think probably they come from a lumberyard someplace.

Bob Zybach: Was it always red, the barn?

Eugene Glender: Yeah.

Bob Zybach: Did that thing up on top, what's that called

Eugene Glender: Cupola.

Bob Zybach: Cupola. What 's that there for, what's that do?

Eugene Glender: Just a vent for the barn, I guess, to keep the ventilation for the hay, keep the moisture out or something.

Bob Zybach: Would you keep dairy cows in there?

Eugene Glender: Yeah.

Bob Zybach: And horses?

Eugene Glender: No, had a barn right here; by the end of the road here for horses.

Bob Zybach: Jan, can we see that on the aerial? Let me look at that [1936] aerial. See, why don't we just put that our there, Jan.

Eugene Glender: The horse barns set right in there.

Bob Zybach: Can you point to the horse barn on the aerial photo here? Maybe you can identify some of these things that we're looking at there? That's the school.

Eugene Glender: That's

Bob Zybach: That would be your house.

Eugene Glender: The barn should be right in there, right in here it was right straight down below the house.

Bob Zybach: Did they take that out before Adair came in?

Eugene Glender: No.

Bob Zybach: Camp Adair ... That must be a ... is this an orchard here?

Eugene Glender: Prune orchard.

Bob Zybach: That's a prune orchard and how about this

Eugene Glender: Apples.

Bob Zybach: The prune orchard is to the west of the barn and the apple orchard's in front. What's this orchard out here?

Eugene Glender: Filberts.

Bob Zybach: And so you had filberts. Would you sell those?

Eugene Glender: No.

Bob Zybach: Did your folks grow those?

Eugene Glender: Yes. Just for our own use, that's all we had.

Bob Zybach: What are these building right through here?

Eugene Glender: Let's see, that's a barn, chicken house.

Bob Zybach: Chicken house? Can you remember what the other ones are? Wood shed?

Eugene Glender: We ha1 a brooder house.

Bob Zybach: Okay. Where's the outhouse?

Eugene Glender: There wasn't any.

Bob Zybach: You can see the ones for the school. There's the path.

Eugene Glender: Right there's the two of them there.

Bob Zybach: Which one was the boys?

Eugene Glender: This one here [closest to the school].

Bob Zybach: Okay.

Jan Meranda: [Jan] Girls had to go farther?

Eugene Glender: Sure.

Bob Zybach: Is that the play house there?

Eugene Glender: This?

Bob Zybach: Yeah.

Eugene Glender: Yeah. Play house and there's the wood shed, and there's the school.

Bob Zybach: Who built the fire?

Eugene Glender: Teacher.

Bob Zybach: It doesn't look like there's even [a distinguishable properly line] where the road is now. It doesn't even look like there's a fence through here. Where did Beal 's line run?

Eugene Glender: Why this goes right down the road, right down the road. See, here is the fence.

Bob Zybach: Okay.

Eugene Glender: This is just the [Tampico] school; the school was fenced in was all.

Bob Zybach: Okay, so this field ow here was all Wiles?

Eugene Glender: Yeah, that's all ... no, this was all Beals.

Bob Zybach: Oh, okay, I see. Wiles ended up down here. And then this here, the swamp area on your property ... the [ash] trees aren't near as large in those days.

Eugene Glender: No, there wasn't hardly anything there then.

Bob Zybach: Can you kind of draw the outlines of your property on this?

Eugene Glender: Where's [Soap] creek?

Jan Meranda: [Jan] Here.

Bob Zybach: No, that would be the marsh; the ditch would be over in there. This would be the forty. That would be ... there's the main creek over here.

Jan Meranda: [Jan] Yeah, 'cause there's the spring.

Bob Zybach: I'm not sure that that's the right spot for the spring.

Eugene Glender: If it's on that ditch, why, it's pretty close, probably.

Bob Zybach: Yeah.

Eugene Glender: Let's see, here's that crook in the road [to the west of Glenders', along Soap Creek Road].

Bob Zybach: Now, do you remember when they changed ... straightened that road out there?

Eugene Glender: I remember when it changed, but I don't remember what year it was.

Bob Zybach: Not exact year, maybe late '20's, early '30's?

Eugene Glender: Probably.

Bob Zybach: Do you remember why they did it?

Eugene Glender: Just to cut that corner off.

Bob Zybach: Who's property was that corner on?

Eugene Glender: Ours.

Bob Zybach: And the county asked you to do it or they just went ahead did it?

Eugene Glender: No, I think they paid so much. ... to put it through.

Bob Zybach: So it was a good deal for your family, it didn't create any problem at all?

Eugene Glender: No.

Bob Zybach: How about this up in back of the house, this field up through here, what was that used for?

Eugene Glender: Just pasture.

Bob Zybach: How about the woods here, would you log back in there at all?

Eugene Glender: Yeah, we got our winter wood up in there.

Bob Zybach: So that was mostly a wood lot?

Eugene Glender: Yeah.

Bob Zybach: Did you cut any timber off there?

Eugene Glender: No, just wood; wood for the house. We've got oak up here, and down here in along this slough here is where we got our ash for the cook stove.

Bob Zybach: Did you call it a slough?

Eugene Glender: Yeah.

Bob Zybach: Did you have any name for it?

Eugene Glender: No.

Bob Zybach: The slough?

Eugene Glender: Yeah.

Bob Zybach: Okay. How about this in back of Beal's there? Wlzat was that called?

Eugene Glender: Just a ditch going down through the middle and here's where he ... right in here is where he h&I all ... raised all his turkeys.

Bob Zybach: Okay, and so that ditch didn't have any name to it or anything?

Eugene Glender: No, not that I know of.

Bob Zybach: Does that empty into Soap Creek, or does it go the other way?

Eugene Glender: Let's see, that runs into the ... runs right down into the swamp down here.

Bob Zybach: Okay, I see.

Eugene Glender: Just a ... when there's a lot of water, water runs through, otherwise there's no water. It isn't real ... nothing like the creek.

Bob Zybach: On Beals here, he's got a backfield in here, do you know anything about that?

Eugene Glender: That's right straight down from his house, isn't it?

Bob Zybach: Yeah, right. I've got this thing going again here. We were on Beal's, do you remember those back buildings there?

Eugene Glender: They were hog sheds.

Bob Zybach: So he raised hogs too?

Eugene Glender: Yeah.

Bob Zybach: Now you said he raised the turkeys for eggs?

Eugene Glender: Eggs and he used ... he had a lot of young turkeys too.

Bob Zybach: And he'd sell those to other turkey fanns?

Eugene Glender: The eggs. The eggs all went to a hatchery someplace.

Bob Zybach: To raise to eat the turkeys or people just eat the eggs?

Eugene Glender: No, for turkeys.

Bob Zybach: Oh, so he was kind of a ... so he had a dairy farm, and then he ... what did he raise out in his fields there?

Eugene Glender: No, he never had no dairy.

Bob Zybach: The Wileses had a dairy farm?

Eugene Glender: Yeah, Wileses had the dairy.

Bob Zybach: And he had a large field here, what would he

Eugene Glender: A lot of that down in through here was all turkeys.

Bob Zybach: Okay. So a lot of that was used for turkeys.

Eugene Glender: Yeah.

Bob Zybach: How many did he have about?

Eugene Glender: Oh, I don't know, he had quite a bunch. And this here was where he farmed down here. And then up on this other side he kept sheep. That was all sheep up through that little

Bob Zybach: Did you know the families on the other side of the Wileses or, what's this family's name again?

Jan Meranda: [Jan] The Beals?

Eugene Glender: Beal.

Bob Zybach: Beal. Did you know any of the families on the other side there very well?

Eugene Glender: Up here?

Bob Zybach: No, out towards Coffin Butte or 99?

Eugene Glender: There wasn't ... That would be over on Highway 99. No I didn't know many over there. I knew ... there was a Shoemaker [possibly Schulmerich family] lived over there.

Bob Zybach: A family?

Eugene Glender: Yeah.

Bob Zybach: And where did they live, rig/u on 99?

Eugene Glender: Yeah.

Bob Zybach: How did you know them?

Eugene Glender: Oh, gosh, I can't remember now, if they ... that's been so long ago since I knew them that I can't remember ... I know they had a girl and she used to come over and play with my sisters; I think more or less that's where we got to know them.

Bob Zybach: Bw they didn't go to the school or anything?

Eugene Glender: I can't remember whether they did ... went to school here or not.

Jan Meranda: [Jan] Probably went over to that Wells Station or

Eugene Glender: Yeah, Wells.

Bob Zybach: So the Wells school was over there? Would your school play basketball or baseball games

Eugene Glender: No, just regular softball.

Bob Zybach: So you would play softball between schools

Eugene Glender: Yeah.

Bob Zybach: Have competitions?

Eugene Glender: Yeah, once in a while, not very often. There'd be a couple of games a year.

Bob Zybach: How about track, races?

Eugene Glender: No. Never had nothing like that. Baseball was all or softball.

Bob Zybach: Now, coming down this direction, what was the ... what house is that there? The nest one down fmm Beals?

Eugene Glender: Barzee [Roy].

Bob Zybach: Barzee? is that where

Eugene Glender: That's where Brenneman [Rod] lives now.

Bob Zybach: So that was called the Barzee house?

Eugene Glender: Yeah.

Bob Zybach: What did they do for a living?

Eugene Glender: He farmed some.

Bob Zybach: Did they have any kids?

Eugene Glender: Yeah, they had a couple.

Bob Zybach: Did they come to school here?

Eugene Glender: Yeah, but you know ... they were older than I was.

Bob Zybach: Oh, the kids were?

Eugene Glender: Yeah.

Bob Zybach: So Beal and Barzee, you didn't associate too much with them. Just a different age group?

Eugene Glender: Yeah.

Bob Zybach: And they had a farm, same thing?

Eugene Glender: Yeah.

Bob Zybach: Did any of these people work in town or lwnber mills other than the ones that we just mentioned?

Eugene Glender: Oh, a lot of them I don't know what they did.

Bob Zybach: So it's mostly kind of subsistence farms and sometimes a specially like turkeys or dairy or work in a mill, something like that?

Eugene Glender: Yeah, that's about it.

Bob Zybach: Was there much logging going on in the valley then?

Eugene Glender: Well right up at Sulphur Springs, you know, up there by Soap Creek.

Bob Zybach: By the school?

Eugene Glender: Yeah, that and Govier's [Alvie].

Bob Zybach: So there was two mills going?

Eugene Glender: Yeah.

Bob Zybach: Govier's mill and the one [Valley Mills] up by the school?

Eugene Glender: Yeah.

Bob Zybach: Do you rementher what the other one was called?

Eugene Glender: No, I don't know, you could ask probably the Goviers up there, they could tell you that.

Bob Zybach: Does the Govier family still live there?

Eugene Glender: I think there is some that live there yet.

Bob Zybach: So they'd be a good family to maybe tape record with them too?

Eugene Glender: Yeah.

Bob Zybach: Mzo lived beyond the Barzees?

Eugene Glender: Let's see, Grover Hoffman lived just past on the right hand side.

Bob Zybach: So he lived past

Bob Zybach: That's Barzees, and Grover Hoffman would be down in here?

Eugene Glender: Yeah.

Bob Zybach: Now, let me pull out the other map [1929 Metsker's map of Tsp. 10 S., Rng. 5 W.].

Eugene Glender: You know, right where the road makes the curve?

Bob Zybach: Yeah, to the left?

Eugene Glender: Yeah. That house to the right?

Bob Zybach: Yeah.

Eugene Glender: That's where Grover Hoffman lived.

Bob Zybach: Okay, so ... got that on the obsolete map here, that's Grover Hoffman?

Jan Meranda: [Jan] There's your house, and Beal's, and Barzee's.

Eugene Glender: Okay, there's Grover Hoffman.

Bob Zybach: And did they farm?

Eugene Glender: Oh, he worked out mostly.

Bob Zybach: As a hired hand?

Eugene Glender: Yeah. Wherever he could get a job, why that's where he'd work.

Bob Zybach: Did they have kidg?

Eugene Glender: Yeah, they had one; they had a girl.

Bob Zybach: Did the Barzees, and the Beals, and the Hoffinans live here pretty much the whole time you were living here?

Eugene Glender: Yeah, biggest share of the time.

Bob Zybach: So people didn't move around very much?

Eugene Glender: No.

Bob Zybach: So the people you grew up with at that time were people that lived here at that time?

Eugene Glender: Yeah.

Bob Zybach: Okay, how about this as your ... was this road straight through when you were a kid?

Eugene Glender: Yeah. There weren't no road through here.

Bob Zybach: Do you know when they put that road in?

Eugene Glender: Army put that one in.

Bob Zybach: Was Beal upset with the Army for having to move or do you remember?

Eugene Glender: I don't know. I don't remember anymore now when

Bob Zybach: So when Beal and Barzee moved out then the Army came in and then Brenneman and Dunnings [John and Patti] came in, that's pretty much who had this place during this century. I think Dunnings had somebody or other own it in between.

Bob Zybach: Do you remember when the Army put this road in then?

Eugene Glender: No, that was after they took over.

Bob Zybach: Okay, how about this structure right here? This is about a 1944 map9, I think. Was that put in by the Army?

Eugene Glender: Apparently was. There wasn't nothing in there that I know of.

Jan Meranda: [Jan] And there's where we're sitting right there.

Bob Zybach: You can see the new road.

Eugene Glender: Yeah.

Bob Zybach: Now that looks like some bunkers or something out in there, is that what that is?

Eugene Glender: No, it's probably some brush out there in the fields.

Bob Zybach: Okay. How about past the [Grover and Lois] Hoffman 's here, do you remember anybody there in those

Eugene Glender: There was a little house sitting right down in here at one time once. Somebody built, I can't remember. Seemed like one of the people that lived there was a Hogan at one time.

Bob Zybach: A Hogan maybe?

Eugene Glender: Yeah.

Bob Zybach: But they weren't a major family like some of the others we've been discussing here?

Eugene Glender: Well, there's the ... [Tape ended]

Bob Zybach: I'll be doing this with her in a week or two. The house that's right there, that wasn't there inthose days?

Eugene Glender: Which one there?

U.S. Army Corps of Engineers 1944. Camp Adair. Corvallis. OreQon: Training Aids General Layout. 28" X 39" original map with annotations on file with Kerr Library Map Room, OSU. Full sized copy and 13" X 9" negative on file with OSU Research Forests. Scale 1 mile = 2 inches.

Bob Zybach: This one right here?

Eugene Glender: I don't know. There wasn't any houses in there that I knew of. You see, there wasn't no road at all through there.

Bob Zybach: Did you ever hear anything about the town of Tampico, any stories about it?

Eugene Glender: No.

Bob Zybach: Did you know a town used to be here?

Eugene Glender: Well, yeah, right ... well, that's what was right in this area here at that time, but

Bob Zybach: Did people tell you that a house used to be here, or a town used to be here?

Eugene Glender: Yeah.

Bob Zybach: Did they tell you any stories about it?

Eugene Glender: No.

Bob Zybach: Just that this used to be a town here?

Eugene Glender: Yeah.

Bob Zybach: Did they act like it was kind ofa fun town or just a long time ago

Eugene Glender: I guess there wasn't nobody I ever talked to that knew too much about it.

Bob Zybach: Just something that they knew.

Eugene Glender: Just something that had been here. I think my dad said that when he moved here, why I think there was just one building setting here someplace yet [Arcade Saloon]. That's all that was here when he moved.

Bob Zybach: Was that maybe that picture that I showed you in the book there of that old building ?10 [Jan] The one that ... this morning.

Eugene Glender: I couldn't tell you.

Bob Zybach: Do you know where it was located?

Eugene Glender: No.

Bob Zybach: Have we identified all the buildings on the map there, Jan, or on the aerial?

Jan Meranda: [Jan] Well, I think so. Let me back it up.

Bob Zybach: I think maybe that we have too. And the same on ... we haven't gone down the side road there.

Jan Meranda: [Jan] Well, there isn't any ... building.

10 Zybach, Bob. 1989. Historic Soap Creek Valley Auto Tour, Oregon State University Research Forests, 3lpp.

Bob Zybach: No reason to go down here because this is just going into old fields.

Eugene Glender: Yeah.

Bob Zybach: And so.

Eugene Glender: That road wasn't there before.

Bob Zybach: And going down here I'll be talking with Brenneman and Dunning both, mostly Just their ideas after the war, cover the period after you moved so we can ... can you think of anything else ... does anything come to mind? For instance, that white cedar tree over there where there's a row offirs along the road there, can you recall those?

Eugene Glender: No. Just those big trees are the only ones that was there.

Bob Zybach: Were they big?

Eugene Glender: Yeah, they were big then already.

Bob Zybach: What happened to the filbert orchard?

Eugene Glender: I couldn't tell you on that.

Bob Zybach: How about the back hill here; was that mostly fir like it is now?

Eugene Glender: Yeah.

Bob Zybach: When was the oak

Eugene Glender: I think there used to be more oak up there, apparently somebody's cut all the oak out.

Bob Zybach: So that hill in back there always had woods on it?

Eugene Glender: Yeah. We used to cut our oak wood up there and go up with a tractor and pull it down into the yard here and cut it up. We cut it up into lengths and then dad had a wood saw and he'd go and saw the wood into lengths.

Bob Zybach: Two man wood saw?

Eugene Glender: Two or three, how ever ... depend on how big of wood you had.

Bob Zybach: But one of those old misery whips?

Eugene Glender: Yeah, one of those big ones where you put ... and saw through.

Bob Zybach: Wluit was your mother's [SelmaJ maiden name?

Eugene Glender: Metge.

Bob Zybach: Metge?

Eugene Glender: Yeah.

Bob Zybach: Where did she come from?

Eugene Glender: Wisconsin. They were all from Wisconsin, Illinois, that area there.

Bob Zybach: So your dad's family was from

Eugene Glender: They knew them one another from back in that country.

Bob Zybach: Oh, I see. Did they get married by mail or something and come out here?

Eugene Glender: I don't think so.

Bob Zybach: They came out single and then ended up manying a girl from back home?

Eugene Glender: Yeah.

Bob Zybach: How about your aunt's [Laura] maiden name?

Eugene Glender: Metge. See, they were sisters.

Bob Zybach: So it was brothers manying sisters?

Eugene Glender: Yeah.

Bob Zybach: So, it went from the Glender brothers to the Glender brothers and Metge sisters?

Eugene Glender: Yeah.

Bob Zybach: Do you know when the Glenders came to the United States?

Eugene Glender: I couldn't tell you, I don't know. They never talked much about their old time because whether they were born there or

Bob Zybach: illinois and Wisconsin. How about Metges"?

Eugene Glender: They were the same there.

Bob Zybach: You don't know when they came to the United States?

Eugene Glender: No.

Bob Zybach: Do you know your grandparents' ... mother's maiden names?

Eugene Glender: No, I've never seen them.

Bob Zybach: Never saw any of your grandparents?

Eugene Glender: No.

Bob Zybach: Where ... you've got one sister that I've met /Elvera], is your other sister still alive?

Eugene Glender: Yeah, she lives in Bend.

Bob Zybach: What's her name?

Eugene Glender: Kruse [Leone].

Bob Zybach: K-r-u-z?

Eugene Glender: K-r-u-s-e.

11 Charles Metge entered the U.S. headed for Wisconsin in 1870.

Bob Zybach: Oh, u-s-e. Do you know where the Metges what country they came from in Europe?

Eugene Glender: Mostly from Germany, I think.

Bob Zybach: How about the Glenders?

Eugene Glender: Glenders did.

Bob Zybach: From Gennany?

Eugene Glender: Yeah.

Bob Zybach: So you've got German families from Wisconsin and Illinois area that are coming out to Oregon is basically the pattern?

Eugene Glender: I guess. They settled there and then ... I don't know how they ever managed to come to Oregon, but they did.

Bob Zybach: Did your uncle [Will] live with you the whole time you were growing up right up until Adair?

Eugene Glender: Yeah.

Bob Zybach: So and when they ... did he move to Albany too?

Eugene Glender: Yeah.

Bob Zybach: Did you live in the same house there?

Eugene Glender: Oh, for a little while and then they split up; each got their own place.

Bob Zybach: So, the whole time they moved out here, then they lived together and worked together the whole time?

Eugene Glender: Yeah.

Bob Zybach: Was that a pretty happy family?

Eugene Glender: Yeah.

Bob Zybach: Brothers and sisters.

Eugene Glender: Yeah.

Bob Zybach: So everybody got along real good?

Eugene Glender: Yeah.

Bob Zybach: Can you think of anything on that line, Jan? It's really helpful when you don't know where they came from, then I don't have to keep questioning you flaughs].

Eugene Glender: Yeah. Yeah, they talked about being in a different places and I just don't ... they just never did say that much, you know, about any place in particular where they whether they came from Germany or where they came from, they just

Bob Zybach: Who would have the family ... oh, your other sister, we don't have her name, Kruse and then your other sister's name is?

Eugene Glender: Elvera Muller.

Bob Zybach: Elvera Muller, and she lives in Albany?

Eugene Glender: Yeah.

Bob Zybach: Where did her husband [Royal Muller] grow up; he grew up around here didn't he?

Eugene Glender: Yeah. Right around Albany.

Bob Zybach: Okay, do you and her have many family pictures from this area?

Eugene Glender: Not too many, I'll have to look through them sometime and see if I can find some.

Bob Zybach: I still haven't returned the others [Photos borrowed from Elvera: See Appendix C], but would it be possible for you to maybe go through with your sister and find pictures of your family and the houses around here, or the hills, or anything like that and allow me to duplicate them?

Eugene Glender: I'll try. I don't know what we've got. You know, a lot of ... the folks had a lot of the pictures and what happened to a lot of them I don't know.

Bob Zybach: Your uncle or your aunt [Will and Laura] is not alive anymore?

Eugene Glender: No.

Bob Zybach: And do you know what happened to their possessions after they died; didn 't have any children?

Eugene Glender: I think my one sister got most of their stuff.

Bob Zybach: Kruse?

Eugene Glender: Yeah.

Bob Zybach: So

Eugene Glender: Because my uncle lived with them at last.

Bob Zybach: Okay, so would it be may be possible for you to contact her also and maybe the three of you figure ow what

Eugene Glender: It could be ... I'll see her at Bend one of these days and see if she's got anything left.

Bob Zybach: I would be more than happy and go through on your photos and duplicate them on new

Bob Zybach: paper, because that old paper starts deteriorating so that you can get a good record to go with this oTa! histoiy.

Eugene Glender: I can't remember having that many pictures taken around here though.

Bob Zybach: So maybe they had some from the old country, or from illinois of the family, or your grandparents or something.

Eugene Glender: Well, I've got pictures of people that I don't know who they are, so ... that wouldn't help anybody.

Bob Zybach: Would your sister know who they were?

Eugene Glender: I doubt it. Problem is she may have lost some of them.

Bob Zybach: Well, any pictures of your family, or your ancestors, or any pictures around this area, i'd really be interested in getting duplicates jf you locate them.

Eugene Glender: I can't remember any pictures taken right around here, because never done anything to take pictures.

Bob Zybach: Can you remember any years that they said there was sliding on the snow, was thai real unusual for it to snow around here?

Eugene Glender: No.

Bob Zybach: it snowed every year?

Eugene Glender: Just about.

Bob Zybach: Weather pretty much the same in those days as it is now?

Eugene Glender: Yeah.

Bob Zybach: Some of the old timers think the weather's changed.

Eugene Glender: Well, I don't know.

Bob Zybach: The records don't show it.

Eugene Glender: Yeah. Snowed probably about every year. Sometimes deep and sometimes not.

Bob Zybach: Can't remember any droughts or floods?

Eugene Glender: No.

Bob Zybach: it was all pretty much Oregon weather?

Eugene Glender: Yeah. Every year's different.

Bob Zybach: Okay, can you think of anything else from right in this area or something we maybe haven't talked about?

Eugene Glender: No, not right now, I can't.

Bob Zybach: Okay.

Eugene Glender: Right in here someplace here close is where Hoffman line fence came down.

Bob Zybach: So Hoffman [Grover] owned all the way over to the hill here, and then your property started on the other side of the road, on this side over here?

Eugene Glender: No, it was back there. Our ... this came up along the road here. There's the line; see right down here.

Bob Zybach: And then yours ran all the way up to the road over there and all the way over to

Eugene Glender: Clear up ... well, you can see the other side of that field. It went up above that field a ways up in that timber.

Bob Zybach: Is there more ... does that tree line up there look about the same as when you were a kid?

Eugene Glender: Yeah. It hasn't changed much, I think.

Bob Zybach: Was there more oak up in there?

Eugene Glender: No, because that was a big field. We always farmed that up there.

Bob Zybach: What did you raise mostly?

Eugene Glender: Wheat, oats, they used to use a ... a lot of hairy vetch up there for a few years.

Eugene Glender: Then common vetch and oats for hay, rye grass.

Bob Zybach: Would any of that go wild?

Eugene Glender: Hairy vetch did.

Bob Zybach: fYou] told me about some wind stonns or something.

Eugene Glender: Yeah, that took ... whirl wind would go through take it clear up on top of the hill up here once in a while.

Bob Zybach: And would all that sprout?

Eugene Glender: I don't know, I've never seen where it has up there.

Bob Zybach: You just see the seed going ... moving up and around?

Eugene Glender: Yeah.

Bob Zybach: Why ... was the seed lighter was that why it would do that?

Eugene Glender: The vines are light and when the winds catches it would lift them right up in the air.

Bob Zybach: What was the vetch used for?

Eugene Glender: Feed, I guess.

Bob Zybach: Over by the transformer ... [Location of the stock spring currently used by the OSU beef barn].

Eugene Glender: They were more of a cover crop.

Bob Zybach: By the transformer there, that's the old [Carson] spring.

Eugene Glender: Yeah.

Bob Zybach: Did you have a name for that spring?

Eugene Glender: No.

Bob Zybach: Can you remember when they dug that elephant [mastodon] tooth out of there?

Eugene Glender: Well, when they dug them first ones out, it was before I was born.

Bob Zybach: Okay. Were they still talking about it later? Was is a big event?

Eugene Glender: Well, folks all here knew about it. It wasn't that such a big deal to anybody else, I guess.

Bob Zybach: Now you lent me those pictures of the tooth. Was the family kind of proud about those? Did they put them up on the mantle or anything?

Eugene Glender: No, had them in a drawer.

Bob Zybach: What other kind ofpictures did they have in that drawer?

Eugene Glender: Just regular pictures.

Bob Zybach: So they were Just in with all the other pictures?

Eugene Glender: Yeah.

Bob Zybach: Now, you dug up some [additional mastodon teeth] la1er on too?

Eugene Glender: Yeah.

Bob Zybach: Did you do that, dig up the second?

Eugene Glender: No, I wasn't home that day when they cleaned it out; I was someplace else.

Bob Zybach: What happened to those'2 . was it another tooth?

Eugene Glender: Yeah.

Bob Zybach: So that was the third tooth then at that time?

Eugene Glender: Yeah.

Bob Zybach: And about the same depth?

Eugene Glender: Yeah.

Bob Zybach: Do you remember how deep it was?

Eugene Glender: I think they said they got ... deepest they got down was about ten foot.

Bob Zybach: So that the teeth were under ten feet deep?

12 One tooth, that Gene claims weighed 16 pounds, was "lent" to OSU's Homer Museum. Attempts to relocate and return the tooth in 1990 resulted in an inability to locate it by the Museum's director.

Eugene Glender: Around that.

Bob Zybach: Do you remember what the soils are like out there at the spring?

Eugene Glender: No. Sticky.

Bob Zybach: Blue clay?

Eugene Glender: It's kind of a black brown down there.

Bob Zybach: Black brown. Is it a sticky clay, it's not loam?

Eugene Glender: No, it's more of a clay.

Bob Zybach: How about gravel?

Eugene Glender: Gravel down there where the spring ... where they found the teeth; that's all gravel down there.

Bob Zybach: So you go through how many feet of sticky clay?

Eugene Glender: I couldn't tell you.

Bob Zybach: But then you get down to gravel underneath the sticky clay?

Eugene Glender: Yeah.

Bob Zybach: And then gravel is where they hit the ... elephant teeth.

Eugene Glender: Yeah, that's where they finally found the teeth.

Bob Zybach: Did you find any other things in there other than elephant teeth?

Eugene Glender: Not that I know of. I never did see anything else.

Bob Zybach: Did ... you were gone the day they got the second group; were you pretty interested in those?

Eugene Glender: Oh, yeah. I always kept them.

Bob Zybach: Did they have just one the second time, or did they get...?

Eugene Glender: I think just that one they found, but they didn't dig very much out. Water came in faster than they could keep it pumped out so they just quit.

Bob Zybach: Did that make the newspapers the second time too?

Eugene Glender: No, never even notified the newspaper.

Bob Zybach: Figured once is enough?

Eugene Glender: Yeah.

Bob Zybach: On that tooth, you said you gave it to your kid for show and tell?

Eugene Glender: At school and that's the last I saw of it.

Bob Zybach: So, that's no more.

Eugene Glender: No.

Bob Zybach: In that spring there's a wooden trough there, was that your main spring?

Eugene Glender: Yeah.

Bob Zybach: For the winter, or for the summer?

Eugene Glender: All year.

Bob Zybach: But was it used for the house?

Eugene Glender: This one down here?

Bob Zybach: Yeah.

Eugene Glender: No.

Bob Zybach: So

Eugene Glender: No, for the house, that came from up on the bill.

Bob Zybach: So the spring that we were looking at up on the hill there was for your house. This spring down here was for your stock?

Eugene Glender: Yeah.

Bob Zybach: Would they just come right up to the spring, it was kept pretty well open for them or was that

Eugene Glender: Well, that run that inch pipe year around.

Bob Zybach: Where would the pipe run to?

Eugene Glender: Right into the tank.

Bob Zybach: So

Eugene Glender: So it came out of the ground and run right into the tank.

Bob Zybach: So there was enough pressure to run on its own?

Eugene Glender: Yeah. Just the overflow.

Bob Zybach: So there's a one inch pipe that ran year round right off that spring, but it didn't have enough

Eugene Glender: he didn't have a pump or anything like that?

Eugene Glender: No.

Bob Zybach: So the stock had to go to that point?

Eugene Glender: Yeah.

Bob Zybach: Were there very many deer in these fields?

Eugene Glender: There was some.

Bob Zybach: They just moved in and out?

Eugene Glender: Yeah.

Bob Zybach: Let's see, I think we covered most of the things ... we looked at that spring, I've got photos. Can you remember anything else particular about that spring that interested you or

Eugene Glender: No.

Bob Zybach: ***

Bob Zybach: Now we're at this corner of the road here where they straighten it out and they sold it to the county, was that during the 1930's?

Eugene Glender: Had to be.

Bob Zybach: Okay. Because you can remember that?

Eugene Glender: Yeah.

Bob Zybach: Okay. You showed me an old school site up here ... but that's up here further yet. From here could you see any of the houses ... any other houses?

Eugene Glender: No.

Bob Zybach: How about where the beef barns are, did anybody live up there at that time?

Eugene Glender: No, there wasn't nothing there. There wasn't even a road to get over there.

Bob Zybach: Okay. Do you remember any old roads in these fields or anything?

Eugene Glender: No. No, the road that's there is the one that we used when we went down to get down to the creek or, you know, go down to other farm grounds.

Bob Zybach: And those are like farm roads; you just put them in where you needed them, not pennanent?

Eugene Glender: No, no gravel nor nothing.

Bob Zybach: Would you use the same route time after time?

Eugene Glender: Yeah.

Bob Zybach: Where was that route at?

Eugene Glender: Well, it went from the other barn, it went right straight down through right along the side of that ... right at the edge of their line fence.

Bob Zybach: The second fence back there?

Eugene Glender: Well, see where that green ends?

Bob Zybach: Yeah.

Eugene Glender: Okay, that's right at the end of our place and then it run right straight down to the creek and then it went down to the creek. Had a sheep barn right down here.

Bob Zybach: Oh, there was a sheep barn down there?

Eugene Glender: Yeah.

Bob Zybach: Was that on the photo? Now down at the creek right about where you just showed me, that lines up with an 1853 road and there's a real crossing place on the creek there, it looks like it's cut into the back and then you can tell where, not on the creek, that's on the draw here, as you went down to the creek. is that where your road went, all the way over to the creek, or just over to the slough here?

Eugene Glender: No, it went clear over to the creek.

Bob Zybach: Was there a place where you could cross the creek, was there a bridge?

Eugene Glender: Yeah, we had a bridge.

Bob Zybach: Do you remember a crossing ncct to the bridge, was there a dump there? Did you have a dump?

Eugene Glender: No.

Bob Zybach: ifound an old glass baaery and a bunch of porcelain.

Eugene Glender: Oh, that was ... that was down below that was right close to the line fence, wasn't it?

Bob Zybach: Yeah. Who's dump was that?

Eugene Glender: That was ours.

Bob Zybach: Oh. So you did have a dump there?

Eugene Glender: Yeah.

Bob Zybach: And right next to the dump there's a place where it looked like they used ... they could cross the creek without a bridge, where it's angled down and kind of sloughed off and then it comes up the other side. Do you know anything about that?

Eugene Glender: No, that was there. I know what it is, but we never

Bob Zybach: That's the "Applegate Trail. "'

Eugene Glender: Is that what it was?

Bob Zybach: Yeah. ifollowed it in from this side and we surveyed it in from the other side and it caine to the exact same point, four lines.

Eugene Glender: Oh.

Bob Zybach: Where was your bridge located from that crossing?

Eugene Glender: Up the creek further.

Bob Zybach: That way, east?

13 1846-1853, southern route [or ttsouth Roadtt] of the Oregon Trail.

Eugene Glender: Up. West.

Bob Zybach: Okay. How far up was it?

Eugene Glender: Hundred yards.

Bob Zybach: About a hundred yards. So about a 1(K) yards from your dump, the dump was pretty close to that crossing there too?

Eugene Glender: Yeah.

Bob Zybach: Did you ever use that crossing for anything?

Eugene Glender: No.

Bob Zybach: Did you ever wonder what it was?

Eugene Glender: Never even thought about it.

Bob Zybach: But you could see it was there and tell people used to cross there?

Eugene Glender: Yeah.

Bob Zybach: And then ... your bridge, did your bridge connect in this road that we used to go down there?

Eugene Glender: Yeah.

Bob Zybach: So then the road would go down and then veer off to the left a little bit?

Eugene Glender: Yeah. Go up by the sheep barn and then from there going right on down and across the creek.

Bob Zybach: Can we see the sheep barn on this map? Is that the sheep barn?

Eugene Glender: Possible, ... our place from here. Is that Soap Creek?

Bob Zybach: Yeah.

Eugene Glender: Okay, that probably is the one.

Bob Zybach: So the road maybe went like from your barn here, down around through there, and then turned down here?

Eugene Glender: Let's see, where's ... yeah, right on down to here ... is that the line fence?

Bob Zybach: Yeah, it kind of looks ... I can see some old tracks in there.

Eugene Glender: Someplace in here. No wait a minute, it goes down around

Jan Meranda: [Jan] On the road?

Eugene Glender: From there we cut across ... in here is where it comes down to where that other house was I told you about?

Bob Zybach: Yeah.

Eugene Glender: And then it followed that fence down to the creek and then up to the sheep barn.

Bob Zybach: And then it crossed maybe right here?

Eugene Glender: Yeah.

Bob Zybach: Right through here?

Eugene Glender: Yeah.

Bob Zybach: Okay, because there's the old crossing, had that map and then we found it and then this that you came down to the sheep barn, so this one here, what was this structure right there?

Eugene Glender: I don't know. We never had nothing down there.

Bob Zybach: But this is your old road we can see right in there, and then it turned down, and then the bridge was right in through here.

Eugene Glender: Yeah.

Bob Zybach: Okay, that's

Eugene Glender: Yeah, we never had anything down in here, because that's right down below the end of the field.

Bob Zybach: Maybe that's just a big bush or something.

Eugene Glender: Got to be something else.

Bob Zybach: Okay. Because, see some of these bushes here, that's ... those are some structures there it looks like a building though. Maybe a pile of lumber, or firewood, or something like that maybe.

Eugene Glender: No, we didn't have nothing down there.

Jan Meranda: [Jan] What was right there where it went across the ditch? Is that the bridge?

Bob Zybach: Yeah, did you have a little bridge across the ditch there?

Eugene Glender: That's possible, yeah.

Jan Meranda: [Jan] That's what it looks like. It comes right to it and then it doesn't go off

Eugene Glender: Yeah.

Bob Zybach: I've got these areas circled here that something's going on there.

Eugene Glender: You can kind of see that path. That road that we were on when we went down to the creek. It went down and then kind of goes across here . . wherever that line fence is and then it went right straight down to that and up to the barn.

Bob Zybach: So you'd dump here and then go down to the creek there?

Eugene Glender: Yeah.

Bob Zybach: Was there a dump there before ... you would have been too young ... Okay, good.

Eugene Glender: As far as I know, it's just kind of a little horse barn or something. He had a barn his barn set down across the road here.

Bob Zybach: Wlzo had that? Pull out that map again. I think it's on the other one.

Eugene Glender: Oh, shoot. I think I know his name but now I can't remember it [Griffin].

Bob Zybach: Looking down here, we can see right post the corner here there's a house and some little family thing right in around through here, it looks like.

Eugene Glender: Yeah, they h&I a barn here.

Bob Zybach: Okay. Was it the person that lived over here in the white house?

Eugene Glender: Yeah.

Bob Zybach: Oh, I see. So this wasn't a house or anything or here

Eugene Glender: No.

Eugene Glender: these...justa barn?

Eugene Glender: Just a barn.

Bob Zybach: And you don't remember their name? We can look that up, it doesn't matter.

Eugene Glender: Dang, I can't ... I know what it is, but I can't think of it now

Bob Zybach: The family that lived here, did they live here the whole time you were ... you lived here?

Eugene Glender: No. After they left, then Reese Mallow bought the place.

Bob Zybach: Reese Mallow?

Eugene Glender: Yeah.

Bob Zybach: So ... but the family that was here before were they an old time family [Griffin]?

Eugene Glender: I think so, as far as I know they were.

Bob Zybach: So this could have been ... maybe, where the Marcks [Lewis and Lena] lived? Or you don't know.

Eugene Glender: It could be, I've heard the name but I can't ... I don't know where they lived.

Bob Zybach: And then did Reese Mallow keep it all the way up 'til At/air?

Eugene Glender: I believe so, pretty close to that time, but he used to haul a lot of wood. He would go out and cut wood ... sold wood ... cord wood.

Bob Zybach: Did hefar,n?

Eugene Glender: Not very much.

Bob Zybach: How much

Eugene Glender: He only had just this little farm ground right down below here.

Bob Zybach: Like maybe ... five acres or something?

Eugene Glender: Well, yeah ... there wasn't very much. He was more for ... he had a truck; he would haul wood, stuff like that.

Bob Zybach: Kind of an odd jobber?

Eugene Glender: Yeah.

Bob Zybach: And he lived in the house there?

Eugene Glender: Yeah. See, his property run clear up on top and over the hill there.

Bob Zybach: Reese Mallow?

Eugene Glender: Yeah.

Bob Zybach: So he had a long

Eugene Glender: Yeah, it was a pretty good size place.

Bob Zybach: Oh, I see ... so his place caine right up to yours. Would it include the beef barns

Eugene Glender: Up to our place and then I think, if I remember right, it goes clear across the butte over to the other road.

Bob Zybach: Reese Mallow's did?

Eugene Glender: Yeah.

Bob Zybach: So he owned a big chunk in here?

Eugene Glender: Yeah.

Bob Zybach: Do you know how many acres?

Eugene Glender: I haven't the slightest idea.

Bob Zybach: Okay, but he only farmed a little bit of it?

Eugene Glender: Yeah.

Bob Zybach: What did he do with the rest of it?

Eugene Glender: It was all timber.

Bob Zybach: Did he log it?

Eugene Glender: I think some of it was logged. Now he never logged; he cut everything for cord wood.

Bob Zybach: And did he live here all the way up 'til Camp Adair?

Eugene Glender: Ithinkso.

Bob Zybach: Did he have any kids?

Eugene Glender: Yeah, he had two girls.

Bob Zybach: Pretty girls? [Laughs]

Eugene Glender: I guess.

Bob Zybach: Not as good as the St

Eugene Glender: If you say so. I never seen them very much; they were just little girls.

Bob Zybach: Oh. Way younger than you?

Eugene Glender: Yeah.

Bob Zybach: Okay. I was kInd of wondering which one of the family

Eugene Glender: Well, see from here they went to Soap Creek School.

Bob Zybach: So these didn't go to the same school as you?

Eugene Glender: No.

Bob Zybach: Oh, I see, okay. I was kind of wondering why you didn't know these girls as well as you did the ones on the other side there.

Eugene Glender: Yeah.

Bob Zybach: The other ones went to your school and then these kids here went the other way.

Eugene Glender: Yeah.

Bob Zybach: Okay, and they were younger than you. Do you know where the Mallows moved after the War or

Eugene Glender: Moved out of Albany, I think someplace, or Corvallis ... I don't know ... He died, I think both of them. They have a daughter [Marie] that lives there someplace around Albany though.

Bob Zybach: Do you know her name now?

Eugene Glender: Right now I can't think of it.

Bob Zybach: Okay, maybe that's something maybe you can look up or something, so jf we want to find ow' a little bit more abow the Mallows and there'd be somebody to contact.

Eugene Glender: Okay.

Bob Zybach: Can you remember anything particular happening around this house or coming over here for any event?

Eugene Glender: No.

Bob Zybach: Did they have orchards or go hunting with them or